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Fusion is a dish best served cold

29th September 2007 (00:13)

A comment to Conspicuous by its absence: any science brought to my attention something quite interesting about Emilio Del Giudice and Giuliano Preparata. They were two of the three authors of the “Water as a Free Electric Dipole Laser paper1 which often gets cited as “del Guidice et al.” (sic.) by quantum homeopaths looking for scientific evidence for the memory of water.2

Now I was assuming that this was a decent if unimportant paper which just showed how water molecules line up in electric fields - Physics Review Letters is one of the highest impact factor physics journals and they have high standards - which has been misunderstood and misappropriated.

But maybe I'm the one who misunderstood, because it turns out that following this publication Del Giudice and Preparata seem to have gone to work with Fleischmann and Pons on Cold Fusion. They turned up in October 1991 (unnamed) in a review in La Repubblica of a book by Axel Kahn called False Prophets, objecting (for some reason) to being described as “fornicating priests”. They sued,3 lost,4 complained5 about Ref. 4 and got smacked down.6

So thanks to apgaylard.wordpress.com for ruining the one citation I thought was respectable in Milgrom's papers.

  1. Emilio Del Giudice, Giuliano Preparata, and Giuseppe Vitiello. Phys. Rev. Lett. 61 (9) 1085-1088 (1988)
  2. L. R. Milgrom. Homeopathy 96 (3) 209-219 (2007)
  3. Alison Abbott. Nature 363 (6425) 107 (1993)
  4. Alison Abbott. Nature 380 (6573) 369 (1996)
  5. Emilio Del Giudice and Giuliano Preparata. Nature 381 (6585) 729 (1996)
  6. Douglas R. O. Morrison. Nature 382 (6592) 572 (1996)

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Posted by: apgaylard.wordpress.com (apgaylard.wordpress.com)
Posted at: 3rd October 2007 09:14 (UTC)
Excellent follow-up

Thanks for tracking this down. I guess that their Physics Review Letters paper could still be OK? However, the chances are very much diminished. It’s interesting that there seem to be a number of people who keep cropping up in “interdisciplinary pseudoscience”. Perhaps there’s a new “Science Degree” in this for some enterprising customer-oriented UK Uni?

Posted by: shpalman (shpalman)
Posted at: 6th October 2007 13:48 (UTC)
Re: Excellent follow-up

Oh and see also “Yet more memory of water,” “Here lies one whose name was writ in water...” and “Bad memory” from Philip Ball's blog.

Posted by: ((Anonymous))
Posted at: 9th October 2007 13:18 (UTC)
Cold Fusion

Cold Fusion - it isn't auto-woo. Although currently still not working, and in the 'we don't actually have a theory' category, this is still recieving quite a bit of quiet funding from governments, military et al, and apparently isn't just woo. It appears in New Scientist from time to time http://technology.newscientist.com/channel/tech/mg19426021.000-cold-fusion--hot-news-again.html here for example. Obviously this doens't mean that it isn't woo. But some careful consideration does need to be given befroe dismissing it out of hand.


Posted by: shpalman (shpalman)
Posted at: 10th October 2007 17:25 (UTC)
Re: Cold Fusion

“Although currently still not working, and in the 'we don't actually have a theory' category” - that seems to be to mean that it doesn't work and we don't know why it should work anyway. And I think it's fair to say that it was woo when it started - Fleischmann and Pons messed up their open-cell calorimetry and assumed nuclear reactions were going on without any justification, but without being killed by the flux of neutrons either. If it's worth funding, it's because there might be some interesting physics in there somewhere, and also because the zero probability of cold fusion ought to be multiplied by the infinite rewards if it does ever work.

The link you give is a write up of this paper by the way.

Posted by: ((Anonymous))
Posted at: 4th December 2007 10:55 (UTC)
emillio del giudice

With reference to Emillio del Giudice. Here is a link to an article by Cliff Andrews a Shiatsu Quantum Energy con artist, (ridiculed by Prof Colquhoun on his blog)
read it and wonder no more at Emillio's leaning's.

Jeff Garrington

Posted by: shpalman (shpalman)
Posted at: 4th December 2007 13:14 (UTC)
Re: emillio del giudice

Thanks Jeff, I'll just make your link live: http://www.shiatsusociety.org/public/downloads_public/Cliff Andrews SSN 95.pdf.

Posted by: acleron (acleron)
Posted at: 31st December 2007 12:52 (UTC)
Re: emillio del giudice

I read your link until I came to here and just couldn't continue:-"
The meridians act like quantum-coherent
domains in the body tissue. (Del Giudice,
2005 p10) But what does ‘coherent’ mean

Excellent question, but venture they won't like the answer.

Posted by: ((Anonymous))
Posted at: 11th August 2008 23:34 (UTC)

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